WTF???????????

[legoline]

From here ... and please tell me they're kidding. It's a troll, right? RIGHT?

By Mystech: Yeah yeah and he and his friends run around calling people "Mud bloods" which, if I recall correctly, is very close to a slur actually used by American white supremacists.

Does Harry Potter express raciest views? Of course. Should J.K. Rowling be frowned upon for this? I don't think so. She's British, she just can't help it. . . its bred into them. She probably doesn't even know she's doing it, and it's not as if she's actually making any derogatory statements against any actual race, so really in the end who cares?


By android: There's nothing wrong, illegal, or unscientific about racial awareness and preferring your own kind. Bigotry I'm not so fond of, but only undermen equate the two.


by SCrow:Well, to go back to the original point about Harry Potter being a racist, the book certainly has some elements that could definatly be interpreted as Nazi related symbols. For example, Snape's initials are S.S. which relates to the Schutzstaffel from the holocaust. Another S.S. related point is Harry's scar, which looks alot like the tag in which the S.S. had on their uniform. I also agree with the original point of this arguement, that being the connection between the half-blood and pure-blood to Naziism. I agree it is just a book but there alot more to the book then justthe story.


And THEN they go round drawing comparisons to "Mein Kampf" by Hitler and act all smart-arsey...WTF???

And besides? Don't talk about stuff you don't have a clue about just because you've seen Saving Private Ryan and Schindler's List you morons.

I almost feel offended by that rubbish. I live in the country that was ruled by Nazis and caused millions of deaths. Comparing Harry Potter to Mein Kampf is like a slap into my face.

Comments

[snuffkin.livejournal.com]

Ahh Fandom Wank how I love thee *g*

[legoline.livejournal.com]

Uh-huh. That HP fandom scares me... :o)

[snuffkin.livejournal.com]

There`s so much Wank in this fandom...

I`m just laughing about this nazi stuff. I`m aware of our past but well it`s not like I`m the quilyt one or like Hitler was the only one thinking like that. It`s just that everybody knows about him and what he did.

Maybe I should read this wank before talking about it *g*

[legoline.livejournal.com]

Nah what pisses me off that they pretend to be all super educated but they're not. People claiming they totally know about US politics because they've read one Michael MOore book piss me off juat as much.

Hmmm yes this is almost as good as Harmionian wank...

[unhobbityhobbit.livejournal.com]

She's British, she just can't help it. . . its bred into them.

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*slaps person silly*

[legoline.livejournal.com]

I know...*sigh*

I dunno whether I should hit or pity that person...

[unhobbityhobbit.livejournal.com]

Well, you can see which option I chose...

[legoline.livejournal.com]

I think I'll be right with you there.

[slightlytookish]

Hmm...this is why I'll continue to cling to LOTR fandom, no matter how much I love HP. The drama, I just can't take too much of it.

Is it possible, though, that these people are reacting to this article? (http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=862542004) I have only one HP-exclusive person on my f-list and she posted a link to this about a month or go. I read it and went right back to my hobbits, but perhaps others wanted to discuss it.

[legoline.livejournal.com]

Could be ... *ponders*

Thing is, I really love Harry POtter, I'm a huge fan. But I don't go to forums or websites and prefer to discuss the books and films with my friends who I know are just as "sane" as I am... :o) I write fanfiction, though... every now and then :o)

But yeah, I think there is definitely less wank in the LOTR fandom. Maybe because the people are older and there is no such character as Hermionethat all 13 year old girls can identify with and go all upset when the hero chooses Ginny over her :o)

[slightlytookish]

Same here. Actually I don't consider myself a part of the HP fandom because I'm always so afraid of spoilers that I don't read alot about HP / visit many websites. And so I'm always a few steps behind most other fans *grin*

And from the little I have ventured into the HP fandom, I was just frightened out of my mind by the ship wars. Eeeek. I have my preferences too, but. Not like that :D

Hey! Goblet of Fire is coming out next month, eeee!!

[aliphaunt.livejournal.com]

Oh, for goodness's sake - yes, the phrase Mudblood is racist, but that's the point - the whole point is Voldemort and all evil witches and wizards are obsessed with 'pure' blooded people, and Harry, and through him JK are saying how wrong that is...
And the fact Harry's scar is meant to be a symbol of the SS is absolute bullsh*t (scuse my French) - the lightning shaped scar is very common in novels - it may be unoriginal, but it's certainly not a symbol of Nazi sympathy.

[legoline.livejournal.com]

I know! Those Harry Potter fans scare me, they're complete and utter nutters...

[aliphaunt.livejournal.com]

Yeah... I guess the same could be said about any other fans, but then look at the number of Katie Leung hate sites!

[glorfinniel.livejournal.com]

She's British, she just can't help it. . . its bred into them.

How dare they say something like that about the British??

If anything, we're the complete opposite, being ridiculously over the top when it comes to political correctness. Gah!!

/angry ranting

[legoline.livejournal.com]

I know. It upsets ME and I'm not even Briish...

[glorfinniel.livejournal.com]

Good for you and all your Britishness! :P

[hopelessfangirl.livejournal.com]

"For example, Snape's initials are S.S. which relates to the Schutzstaffel from the holocaust. Another S.S. related point is Harry's scar, which looks alot like the tag in which the S.S. had on their uniform."

*deadpan* ...seriously? Oh yes, I'm absolutely sure that that is what JKR had in mind when thinking up a name for Snape. Oh yes. No doubt in my mind. [/SARCASM] And the thing about Harry's scar is just funny.

RE what glorfinniel said: "'She's British, she just can't help it. . . its bred into them. '

How dare they say something like that about the British??"

It's total irony, isn't it? A discussion condemning HP for its racial undertones, then turning around and doing the exact same thing by attacking a group of people in such a prejudiced way. They can't even see their own hypocracy.

And I have to address this Harmonian wank, because being one myself, I get insulted when people mock us so. I know, there IS a lot of wank out there, and even I get fed up with a lot of it, but we deserve a break every now and then. What I think the big point missed about that OTP isn't the fact that we're oblivious to R/Hr, but the fact that we don't understand R/Hr. I know I personally just don't get it. At all. I see it! It's right there in front of me! But I have no idea why the fates (or, well, JKR) would want those two to get together. *shrug* If someone could explain it, I'd be very willing to listen. I've yet to understand why. =)
Had to get that out. What's the point of it all if you don't stick up for the things you love, right?

[legoline.livejournal.com]

What I think the big point missed about that OTP isn't the fact that we're oblivious to R/Hr, but the fact that we don't understand R/Hr. I know I personally just don't get it. At all. I see it! It's right there in front of me! But I have no idea why the fates (or, well, JKR) would want those two to get together. *shrug* If someone could explain it, I'd be very willing to listen. I've yet to understand why. =)


You know there is nothing wrong with shipping Hr/H but some of the fans make such a fuss about it I'm glad I never really stepped into that fandom...and I read a very good essay once why H/Hr makes no sense. It basically said that Ron and Hermione are two extremes, and he isn't happy with either of them if he's alone.

In POA, when Harry has a fight with Hermione about the broom and spends all his time with Ron, it is fun yes but he gets nothing DONE. In GOF when he's jealous of Ron he spends more time with Hermione, and isn't happy either. The thing is, what the author said, that Ron & Hermione are there to take care of him, both in their ways. Of course she could take care of them either as his gf, but as someone pointed out, they are way too parent-like, both of them. They even represent Harry's parents socially, the Muggle-born, bright witch and the pure-blood.

And how can you not see R/H? :o) I mean, the teasing, the mocking... it's JUST the same as with Lily and James, really. The same as Harry spending his vacation at the Weasley's is basically the same as with Sirius Black... :O)

[hopelessfangirl.livejournal.com]

I can see that point about why Harry needs Ron AND Hermione in his life. If he didn't need them both, they would've have stayed in his life for so long. And after all, I'm not one of those crazy shippers who wants Ron to die so Hermione can go running into Harry's arms. But H/Hr makes sense to me. Of all the girls at Hogwarts, she makes the most sense to me as a match for Harry (except maybe Luna... I like hers and Harry's relationship...), and likewise, I can't think of anyone else who Hermione would need but Harry. I don't support R/Hr only for the fact that I just don't see what the big deal is. I don't root for them. There's nothing that makes me want to root for them. =\

[coneygoil.livejournal.com]

What the heck? I may not be a big fan of HP, but I've read the books and have found no such thing as racist in them. I actually thought that it was very diverse when it came to that subject.

[ianua.livejournal.com]

Meh, wherever you go you get people who link things on the most stupid, tenuous links. I know someone who was trying to say harry potter advocates devil worship and the occult. Yeah, right. All I can say is these people must be a bit fuuny in the head. And as for racism being 'bred in' to British people, it's bollocks. Yep, you get British racists, just like everywhere else, and yep, we did collonise countries that wern't ours and enslave their people, but just as your country has bad things in it's past, to us, it's just a reminder not to let anything like that happen again.

[fairywinkle.livejournal.com]

Of course the book has racism, that's exactly what it's meant to be! For that other nonsense, some people read into these books WAY too much.

[rose-drop.livejournal.com]

*laughs*.... *then cries*

I have a word for people like that, and it's long, and unfortunately rather ugly.

[loozy.livejournal.com]

Das is'n Scherz oder???
Ich glaub, meine Kinnlade ist grad nach unten gefallen, so tief wie selten zuvor... Haben die ein Rad ab oder was?????????