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You know the most heartbreaking thing about the recent Supernatural episode actually is the way Dean tries to hide his fear by being sarcastic and calm, as if not to upset Sam. I mean it's so plain obvious he's scared and not as okay with it as he says he is. And my ass he checked out the hospital because the nurses weren't hot. He didn't want to be left alone. Because that's what all people have done to him before.
Absolute most heartbreaking thing? That he assumed Sam was going to leave town and him behind.
My heart broke into many, many little pieces.
Also, ProSieben bought Supernatural? Well, goodnight then. ProSieben even manages to air Lost with bad ratings. I definitely see SPN being aired somewhere late night in the middle of the week so that no one will notice it. Well done.
Watched 1x06 - Dalek with my brother today. He's growing really fond of Doctor Who. As in the show, not the character :p I dunno why, maybe because I'd just finished watching Supernatural, but by the end of that episode I had tears in my eyes.
Okay, I shall watch one more Dark Angel episode (*happy flail*) and then be off to bed.
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I actually was near crying this time :( The angst *sigh* I love them ...
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This episode was so heart breaking.
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The best bit in the pilot is the "Agent Mulder, Agent Scully" thing :p
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rofl. But that's *Lost*'s fault... not Pro7's.
Really, I rather see SPN on Pro7 than on RTL, Sat1 or even RTL2, because they suck even more.
Generally, I think the bad quotes depend on the fact, that unfortunately right now US-shows don't seem to be interesting anymore, neither to the viewers nor to the tv broadcasting companies.
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Well au contraire. Whether we like Lost or not it still doesn't change the fact it's got a huge, huge fanbase in the US and basically everywhere else. And I don't think that Teh Germans are the only ones who don't follow the hype and watch quality TV instead - I mean, just look at the other stuff that airs here. German people watch the greatest crap. So I do believe it's ProSieben's fault.
I really thought that RTL would buy SPN since they also air SV, or maybe VOX.
Generally, I think the bad quotes depend on the fact, that unfortunately right now US-shows don't seem to be interesting anymore, neither to the viewers nor to the tv broadcasting companies.
I think more to the broadcasting companies. US shows are expensive.
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Well, fact is, fan bases don't really count if you look at quotes.
The thing is ratings for US shows have been declining here for *years*. I don't why.. it's just the way it is. People obviously love to watch crappy stuff produced in Germany - so that's what were getting now most of the time. That's why there's rarely US Shows on prime time anymore.. but German TV Shows, reality tv and let's redecorate my crappy room shows.
German people watch the greatest crap. So I do believe it's ProSieben's fault.
The thing is, Lost is a hype in the US. It isn't here. Nobody really cares. I've met more people who watch Desperate Housewives than Lost. The media here isn't really interested in Lost, so nobody is really curious about it. And the 5000 German Lost fans really *don't* count, if you need at 3 Million viewers to make a good show *shrug*
And Pro7 did power Lost endlessly before it started, so you can't say, it's their fault.
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Yes. And everywhere else. So, I dunno, they did power it in the beginning but then the summer hiatus, what was that about? And they were surprised they lost even more viwers after that? I'm denying that more people are watching Desperate Housewives than Lost, but maybe 21:15h Monday's also a crappy ... er ... "Sendeplatz/Sendezeit".
Look, I'm not trying to write a big manifesto on why people should watch Lost. They don't. The only thing that strikes me is how a show that is so popular all over the world fails to get decent ratings here.
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Make that "NOT denying"
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But I doesn't really feel like it's a hype here. I don't see that much media coverage. Do you? Really? Have you met much non-fandom people who talk about show? I don't.
The only thing that strikes me is how a show that is so popular all over the world fails to get decent ratings here.
I really believe it's a cultural thing. I don't why it is this way, but as I said, those quotes have been declining for *years*. It's that way for all US-shows - not just Lost. I don't know where the viewers go, if they really watch the German crap instead or just go surfing the web. (but if I had to guess, I would think it's rather the later, because the competition for our spare time is definitely getting heavier)
[sorry this took so long, I unfortunately have to work again, meaning I have absolutely no time for anything *grrr*]
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No it isn't, agreed. But I think that's also because of ProSieben. Hard to explain really. And I meant it's a hype everywhere else inthe world, or at least it's successful. (And yeah, I know people who watch Lost and are not in fandom :o) )
It's that way for all US-shows - not just Lost.
Is it? I don't watch ratings, generally, but that's interesting. Maybe it'sthe same like with music - it's cool to watch German things. Like it's cool to listen to German music?
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*shrug* I really don't know. The thing with German music is, it seems to come and go... but I don't think it keeps people from listening to the usual stuff (buying is another problem *g*).
German TV... it probably has to do with the fact that the broadcasters here have been pushing there own stuff for a long time, because it's cheaper for them. But that's mostly RTL and SAT1... Pro7 and RTL2 still show lots of US stuff - like they always have been - and still they constantly seem to lose viewers. And I don't think they're doing less commercials. So I guess it rather has to be a social matter or a matter of changing taste in general. I also think lots of people go out and rather buy the DVDs than trying to keep up with TV land.
Just take 24 for example, I've heard from *lots* of people that they couldn't keep up with watching it on tv, so they just got some DVDs...
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True. I did that with Gilmore Girls, at least.
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So, on the one hand it could be reasoned nobody is watching because German viewers are just much more clever than everybody else. *eg*
One could also argue (as it has been) that Germans don't like to watch long storyarcs not being done by soap operas. I still remember the one lonely German TV show with a season long story-arc: "Eine Frau wird gejagt", an actually very, very well done "The Fugitive" rip-off. That was sometime in the early to mid-90s.
Personally? I do believe it's Pro7's fault because they have the crappiest.trailers.ever. They wouldn't know how to do a good trailer if it would bite them in the ass. You can advertise the crap out of the worst show ever if you know how to do good Trailers. Pro7 doesn't.
*hate*
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One could also argue (as it has been) that Germans don't like to watch long storyarcs not being done by soap operas.
What about Telenovelas?
I do believe it's Pro7's fault because they have the crappiest.trailers.ever. They wouldn't know how to do a good trailer if it would bite them in the ass. You can advertise the crap out of the worst show ever if you know how to do good Trailers. Pro7 doesn't.
Yes. That's actually so true. I mean they put Charlie hanging from the tree into their trailer - yay, whole purpose of episode gone.
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Yeah, I watch Verliebt in Berlin, too. My Professor at the University - a Prof. Dr. in Film Studies - watches Big Brother all the time. As did most of my fellow studies in Film Studies the last time I talked to them. Being smart or knowing a bit about Television and Film doesn't mean you don't sometimes like to watch stuff like that.
What about Telenovelas?
The only difference between a Telenovela and a Soap Opera is that Telenovelas have a certain number of episodes and there's a more clearly defined basic storyline for clearly definded characters e.g. "Lisa wants David to love her" (ViB) vs. "School is over, people are living their lives" (GZSZ). The main thing they have in common: You can start watching both kind of shows right in the middle of it in spite of the storyarc because they have a whole lot of mini-storyarcs, too. You always get it.
Try doing that for example with Veronica Mars or Battlestar Galactica or Prison Break. You'll have a hard time understanding it through and through because you are missing lots of backstory.
So... I am thinking that maybe Lost also falls into the "Soap Opera" description, too, because a) it doesn't have a clearly definded number of episodes or maybe even characters and b) basically you could start watching anytime because the story doesn't move forward and the Flashbacks are telling the same story again and again...
I now even get why one of the producers once said they write Lost for "the casual viewer". Wow. *G*
The problem is, the hype (even in Germany) says that this is a very, very complicated show you wouldn't get at all if you haven't started watching from the beginning. Maybe they should work on that. Tell people that, yes, you'll get it even now, you haven't really missed that much.
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I didn't say that. I mean I used to watch Dark Angel and seaQuest. All I wanted to say is that the reason Lost isn't popular here is the viewer's cleverness. Because there is much worse stuff that is successful.
The problem is, the hype (even in Germany) says that this is a very, very complicated show you wouldn't get at all if you haven't started watching from the beginning. Maybe they should work on that. Tell people that, yes, you'll get it even now, you haven't really missed that much.
How would you want to do that? Do a trailer that says "Hey we were wrong it's not that complicated at all!"? :o)
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Yeah, because I meet nothing like super-intelligent people whenever I leave the house. lol.
One could also argue (as it has been) that Germans don't like to watch long storyarcs not being done by soap operas.
I don't think you could prove that. There's enough shows with longer arcs that obviously did work.
Personally? I do believe it's Pro7's fault because they have the crappiest.trailers.ever.
rofl. agreed. Even though I still don't think you could manage to stop people watching by crappy trailers only. I still think it's the missing hype, probably combined with the fact that the show really isn't that good in the first place. I guess, like me, people were expecting something different from the show... and the whole idiotic mystery jungle probably isn't what people want to see.
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Exactly. Like at university *rolleyes*
and the whole idiotic mystery jungle probably isn't what people want to see.
Could be. But it'd still mean German viewers realised OMG IT'S BAD! which I just don't believe.
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No, I meant it's a matter of taste and interest. I kinda think it's just not the thing many people want to see right now. (What they want right now is obviously kitchen make-over with IKEA ; )
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Funny, though, because these shows have been around forever as well - at least "Changing Rooms" has. Way long before all the other shows joined in.
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ProSieben even manages to air Lost with bad ratings.
Yes, and also, Numb3rs? *cries*
Weeeee for Dark Angel. I'm on 2x21 - for about a week now. Don't dare watching 22 because after that it'll be over (yes, I'm mostly there for the Jensen.). Freaking FOX.
Also, uh, hi! I just discovered your LJ through uh, I don't really rememeber who, but I think
Hab mir wohl immer eingebildet ich wäre die einzige Deutsche die Supernatural kennt =). Oder nie darauf zu hoffen gewagt die deutschen Fans hier mal zu finden. Normalerweise bleibe ich in dt. LiJos auch ehr ruhig, weil alle viel reifer, älter und eingeschworene Gemeinden sind und hello, selfconcious, aber SPN? Jensen? DA? Und Dr Who? It's a pleasure to meet you.
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Kabel1 bought the Buffy seasons I believe. I was hoping for VOX, too but we're again stuck with ProSieben.
As to Dark Angel, I'm still on episode six or something. I'm taking my time or else I'll get a JEnsen overkill with Smallville Saturdays, SPN Tuesdays and Dark Angel in between :o)
Also, uh, hi! I just discovered your LJ through uh, I don't really rememeber who, but I think moonilicious and the comments there had something to do with it. (Which is kinda funny seen that she's not on your flist) and I, well.
Via moonilicious? O_O How is that possible? *amazed* And yes, Hi there :o)
Hab mir wohl immer eingebildet ich wäre die einzige Deutsche die Supernatural kennt =).
Ach, ich kenn zumindest noch drei Andere :o) (Jetzt wohl vier)
Normalerweise bleibe ich in dt. LiJos auch ehr ruhig, weil alle viel reifer, älter und eingeschworene Gemeinden sind und hello, selfconcious, aber SPN? Jensen? DA? Und Dr Who? It's a pleasure to meet you.
Ich mag vielleich älter sein aber reifer? Nie im Leben ;o) Und ja, auch schön dich kennenzulernen :o)
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Zu Smallville hätt ich eine Frage... In welcher Season war/ist Jensen dabei? Ich hab die Serie vor ein, zwar Jahren zwar mal sporadisch gesehen, zu dem Zeitpunkt kann er aber nicht aufgetaucht sein, denn daran könnte ich mich wahrscheinlich erinnern *grins*. In den Folgen die aktuell bei den Amis laufen ist er aber sicher auch nicht mehr dabei, zwecks SPN. Welche würden sich denn da theoretisch... lohnen?
Ich hab vor ein paar Tagen die letzte DA-Folge gesehen. Die war leider ziemlich scheiße *seufz* und noch dazu gehts jetzt nicht mehr weiter.
Ich glaube irgendwer auf deiner flist hatte in moonies LJ kommentiert, oder irgendwer der irgendwen auf seiner list hatte der dich auf seine list hatte; keine Ahnung, irgendwie so wars jedenfalls =).
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In Staffel 4, das ist die, die gerade auf RTL läuft. Und Jensen ist sogar Hauptcast, er wird in den Credits noch vor Chloe genannt und ist in fast jeder Folge dabei. Letztens hatte Clark ihn in seinen Armen (bei ner Rettung natürlich), ich hab gedacht ich muss sterben :p Synchro ist zwar scheiße aber -
Ach du großer Gott, hör mir auf mir der DA Synchro. Ich hab das früher ja wirklich im TV geguckt (und dachte mir bei Staffel 2 OOOOH WER IST DAS DENN? Eigentlich hab ich deswegen angefangen zu gucken) und fand Jessica Albas Stimme immer furchtbar anstrengend. An Alec's kann ich mich nicht mehr erinnern, aber mein DVD Set hat ja deutsche Tonspur :p (Nicht, dass ich das ernsthaft auf Deutsch gucken würde)
Ich glaube irgendwer auf deiner flist hatte in moonies LJ kommentiert
Ach so ja, das kann gut sein :o)
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Aus rein masochistischen Gründen, wann läuft SV denn auf RTL?
Letztens hatte Clark ihn in seinen Armen (bei ner Rettung natürlich), ich hab gedacht ich muss sterben :p Synchro ist zwar scheiße aber -
Hmmmmm, das klingt ja sehr nett XP. Wobei es mir da glaube lieber ist wenn Clark bei seinem Lex, oder meinetwegen auch Lana bleibt.
An Alec's kann ich mich nicht mehr erinnern, aber mein DVD Set hat ja deutsche Tonspur :p (Nicht, dass ich das ernsthaft auf Deutsch gucken würde)
Hehe, du solltest nochmal reinschauen denk ich, danach wirst du Originalton-Jensen sicher noch mehr schätzen. Der einzige der in der dt. Version imho nicht total versaut wurde ist eigentlich Joshua, und das war wohl nicht so schwierig...
Wie teuer war die DA-Box? Sind die Tonspuren und Bildqualität in Ordnung? (Bei O.C 1 gibts da ein kleines Problem mit zu leiser englischer Tonspur, deshalb bin ich misstrauisch =)).
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Ich fürchte, ich leide noch immer unter Overkill - au backe, ich muss Devour noch gucken :p
Ich glaub, SV läuft immer um 16:45h Samstags (wenn nicht grade Skispringen oder so was dran ist). Und rate mal, wer JA's Mutter spielt? Dr Quinn. Mann hab ich gelacht :p Selbst wen er heute nicht auftauchen sollte siehst du ihn immerhin in den Credits ;O)
Hmmmmm, das klingt ja sehr nett XP. Wobei es mir da glaube lieber ist wenn Clark bei seinem Lex, oder meinetwegen auch Lana bleibt.
Neee ich bin kein Clexer. Ich glaub das liegt daran, dass mir Männer mit Glatze schon immer unsympathisch waren und bleiben werden. Clark/Whitney wäre toll gewesen...wo mir einfällt, muss noch Falcon Beach irgendwo her kriegen ---- Eric Johnson <33333
Hehe, du solltest nochmal reinschauen denk ich, danach wirst du Originalton-Jensen sicher noch mehr schätzen. Der einzige der in der dt. Version imho nicht total versaut wurde ist eigentlich Joshua, und das war wohl nicht so schwierig...
Ja, das Knurren hätte ich auch noch hingekriegt :p
Ich hab über einen amazon-Verkäufer inklusive Porto 37 Euro für die Staffel bezahlt (neu. Zwar gab es dann Probleme, weil der Hersteller eine falsche DVD reingetan hatte aber das Umtauschen lief problemlos), normalerweise kostet die Staffel bis zu 50 Euro (es sei denn über ebay aber das war mir zu unsicher). Und bisher hatte ich keine Probleme damit...
Was meinst du mit "Die Tonspur ist zu leise"?
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Hm, dann hab ichs heute leider verpasst. Ich schau nächste Woche mal, wenn ich dazu komme.
Ansonsten ist SV glaube ich ehr nichts für mich. Habe mir wegen dem Wind den alle darum machen mal 5x12 (?) geladen und nach einer Viertelstunde abgebrochen, weil sich mir die Zehennägel hochrollten vor Grauen.
Ich bin auch kein Clexer. Und kein sonst nichts, da ich die Serie eigentlich nichtmal kenne. Wahrscheinlich sind mir durch diversen wb rps die Schauspieler sogar ein besserer Begriff (und Glatzen mag ich auch nicht, finde Michael Rosenbaum nicht gerade ansprechend *hust*).
Ehm, wer ist Eric Johnson?
Bei amazon gibts eine für ~47€ und eine für 28€. Irgendein Unterschied wird zwischen den beiden dann wohl bestehen, aber so genau hab ichs mir dann jetzt doch nicht angeschaut. Naja, vielleicht nächsten Monat, wenn ich wieder bisschen mehr Geld über hab. Danke für die Info =)
Bei O.C. ist die englische Tonspur leiser als die deutsche, d.h. man muss den Ton lauter stellen um was hören zu können. Ist zumindest bei mir das Problem, aber bei 25€ für 7 DVDs sehe ich da gern drüber hinweg.
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*g* weil das Fandom ja so frei von Deutschen ist.
Verrätst du mir, wo in Hessen du wohnst? (Wir haben übrigens nen monatlichen Slash-Stammtisch im Raum Wiesbaden/Mainz/Frankfurt...)
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Ich wohne in Marburg. Von einem Stammtisch habe ich bisher nur in Gelsenkirchen gewusst, das es "hier in der Nähe" auch einen gibt war mir gänzlich unbekannt o_O.
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Ah, doch noch ein gutes Stück weg.
Solltest du mal Lust haben, vorbeizuschauen, unsere ML ist hier:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Slash-Stammtisch/
Zwecks Termin- und Orts-Absprache.
Von einem Stammtisch habe ich bisher nur in Gelsenkirchen gewusst, das es "hier in der Nähe" auch einen gibt war mir gänzlich unbekannt o_O.
... und ich kann Stolz sagen, wir waren die ersten. *g*
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... und ich kann Stolz sagen, wir waren die ersten. *g*
*gratulier* =)