Yeah but even then it probably won't have finished downloading before 10pm. If I'm lucky.

By then I'm usually working *sigh* Except for the 14th *g*

Actually I think it is. Because in each episode more gets revealed about how they see each other and how messed up they truly are. Like it's piling up or something.

Okay, yes they're getting better character-wise... (even though they could be a little bit more subtle sometimes - for my taste). The plots themselves are still ... foreseeable *g*
And well, I'm really not looking forward to Sam becoming Cordelia. Really, I could have lived without the vision thing.. (and I'm *so* not looking forward to the pain.)

And my two cents? I think Sam is the key.

I thought so, too. Though I've also read a spoiler that said their mom is not the only one who burned - so maybe it's not Sam after all.

Okay, yes they're getting better character-wise... (even though they could be a little bit more subtle sometimes - for my taste). The plots themselves are still ... foreseeable *g*

Well I'm not watching it for the plot. Like I said a long time ago with Lost - I don't care for the mystery stuff there, either. And still, I think Supernatural is a lot more subtle than other shows, and a lot more authentic characterwise... I mean just think of Dawsons CReek where they talk absolutely EVERYTHING through and reveal their feelings and word everything so perfectly *rolleyes* I'm really grateful for the "no chick flick moments" vibe.

And well, I'm really not looking forward to Sam becoming Cordelia. Really, I could have lived without the vision thing

Agreed. But maybe they won't mess this up.

Though I've also read a spoiler that said their mom is not the only one who burned - so maybe it's not Sam after all.

But the man was standing bent over his cradle. And in "Home" - did you realise he said EXACTLY the same thing to the little girl his father told Dean?

I mean just think of Dawsons CReek where they talk absolutely EVERYTHING through and reveal their feelings and word everything so perfectly *rolleyes* I'm really grateful for the "no chick flick moments" vibe.

*is watching DC S6 right now* because OMG, CJ! *melts into a puddle of goo*

*snaps out of fangirl mode*

Otherwise, I wouldn't mind them talking some more... because, well, I don't know, in my family there is definitely more talking - and more "buggering" until everything is out in the open.)

Agreed. But maybe they won't mess this up.

I certainly hope so.

But the man was standing bent over his cradle. And in "Home" - did you realise he said EXACTLY the same thing to the little girl his father told Dean?

No, he did say what exactly?

The thing that always bothers me about that man is - that it looks a lot like Dean. (And make of that whatever you want.)

*hasn't seen season six yet*

I wouldn't mind them talking some more... because, well, I don't know, in my family there is definitely more talking - and more "buggering" until everything is out in the open.)

But in mine, for example, there isn't. And I have a messed up family, too, two silbings, a father, no mother - maybe that's why it actually feels natural to me. Their behaviour, I mean.

No, he did say what exactly?

Well he gives her little - whatever the boy is called - and says "Take your brother out as best as you can and don't look back" - it's the exact line from his father. Even the intonation is the same.

The thing that always bothers me about that man is - that it looks a lot like Dean.

No way, does he?

*hasn't seen season six yet*

It has Jensen. You should *g* (though I guess, you might want to check Dark Angel first, that's also kinda fun... The Jensen part. The rest sucks.)

But in mine, for example, there isn't. And I have a messed up family, too, two silbings, a father, no mother - maybe that's why it actually feels natural to me. Their behaviour, I mean.

Well, I wouldn't say, it doesn't feel natural.. a lot of the stuff they do is absolutely realistic. It's just that whenever my brother didn't want to talk, but I knew something was up, I never let it go - or at least not as easily as they sometimes do.

"Take your brother out as best as you can and don't look back"

Oh *that*. Yes, I noticed that. But I guess it was just an in-joke. I don't think it means anything concerning the big picture.

No way, does he?

*you* tell me.
It makes me wonder if we'll get some time-traveling later on and it's just Dean watching out for Baby!Sam - *before* whatever it is gets to Mary.

It's just that whenever my brother didn't want to talk, but I knew something was up, I never let it go - or at least not as easily as they sometimes do.


Yeah but then again, I don't think Dean wants Sam to know how much he actually cares for him, and vice versa.

Yes, I noticed that. But I guess it was just an in-joke. I don't think it means anything concerning the big picture.


Dunno. I just thought it was weird. Maybe it's some thing passed on from father to son or something :o)

It makes me wonder if we'll get some time-traveling later on and it's just Dean watching out for Baby!Sam - *before* whatever it is gets to Mary.


Now THAT'S an interesting theory...I hadn't thought about that but it makes sense.

Also - I know this may be random and overinterpreting but I think the choice of names for their parents are quite interesting. John and Mary. Very biblical. (Yes I know "Joseph" was Mary's hubby but there're lots of Johns in the Bible :o) )

Yeah but then again, I don't think Dean wants Sam to know how much he actually cares for him, and vice versa.

Mmm.. I don't think it that, really. Because if Sam says "I would die for you" that obviously means he cares. And Dean cares. A blind man can see that. I think it's more about shame and things they did, but regret...

Dunno. I just thought it was weird. Maybe it's some thing passed on from father to son or something :o)

yeah, maybe. But then the obvious thing for me was always *Sam* *beneath* the women on the ceiling.

Now THAT'S an interesting theory...I hadn't thought about that but it makes sense.

Only partly. If you look at the plots they do, I'm not sure they will ever to time-travel. It's too "sci-fi".
(Though I wouldn't mind. I also wouldn't mind aliens. And eps that show us, what was before... You know, Sam at Stanford. Dean chasing something on his own. The kids' upbringing...)

Also - I know this may be random and overinterpreting but I think the choice of names for their parents are quite interesting.

*cough* Only makes one wonder, who *exactly* is Sam's father ; )

Because if Sam says "I would die for you" that obviously means he cares.

Not necessarily. Maybe he'd die for him because he's his brother but not because he's also his friend and he respects him. I think they've spent so much time apart they hardly know each other anymore, thus they don't talk. And yes, even if Sam's only been to college for two years, you can be with somebody all the time and grow apart. And of course Dean cares, but I'm not sure whether he wants to admit it. Or whether Sam wants to see it.

Also, maybe they're afraid to open the box of Pandora?

But then the obvious thing for me was always *Sam* *beneath* the women on the ceiling.


I thought about that, too. But it still could be something his father's done, maybe he was cursed or something? That women who love his second-born will all die or something?

Though I wouldn't mind. I also wouldn't mind aliens. And eps that show us, what was before... You know, Sam at Stanford. Dean chasing something on his own.

What I'd really love to see is Dean hunting with his father. I *really* want to know how Dean acts around him.

*cough* Only makes one wonder, who *exactly* is Sam's father ; )

Uh-huh. ;O)

Not necessarily. Maybe he'd die for him because he's his brother but not because he's also his friend and he respects him.

Mmm.. actually I think they *do* respect each other. It's just probably on a subconscious level. Okay, maybe that's me because I think they compliment each other (otherwise I wouldn't slash them), but they *work*. They work *together*. Actually a lot better than "Asylum" seems to imply... because looking through the eps, I was kinda surprised to see that they want to tell us that Dean acts as Sam's boss. Because he doesn't. And I don't even really get why Sam would feel that way. (But then I generally have problems with the fact that he pulled *that* trigger. I haven't decided yet if it's just bad writing - or Sam is really *extremely* fucked up.)

I think they've spent so much time apart they hardly know each other anymore, thus they don't talk. And yes, even if Sam's only been to college for two years, you can be with somebody all the time and grow apart.

Yes and no. Yes, they've led different lives - but they also have shared a whole life before - and do so again. The thing that stands between them is their different POV - and that has been there *long* before - crashing down on them the moment Sam left.
But you see, the problem is, that with Jess dying, Sam "became" his father - and all his bitching about Daddy and their way of life makes him a kind of an hypocrite. (I've read a good story that probably explains this a lot better than I do.) In some strange way Sam still has to grow up and face the facts. And once he does, all the problems will evaporate.
(am I still on topic? *g* oh well, who cares.)

And of course Dean cares, but I'm not sure whether he wants to admit it. Or whether Sam wants to see it.

Yeah, it's more Sam not wanting to see it. I mean, Dean is like an open book *g* (And Sam is very hard to read.)

But it still could be something his father's done, maybe he was cursed or something?

Yes, or maybe Mary was cursed.
There are also a lot of stories popping up, telling us that the "missing link" is Sam's love. (Which means will Dean end up at the ceiling once they have sex ; )

What I'd really love to see is Dean hunting with his father. I *really* want to know how Dean acts around him.

That would be interesting if Dean and Daddy had different opinions... (otherwise, I guess Dean would really just follow his Dad around.)

Mmm.. actually I think they *do* respect each other. It's just probably on a subconscious level. Okay, maybe that's me because I think they compliment each other

Hmmm I dunno whether I made myself clear enough. Of course there is love and respect but - to me it's more the "we're related so I have to" level. I could imagine Sam respects Dean as a good hunter which he doubtlessly is but on the real "emotional" level? Does he think Dean is a good, caring person who is terrified of being left behind? I think he kind of sees his father mirrored in Dean, or maybe Dean brings back those memories of him being the "freaky" kid who didn't get the extra cookies. (Am *I* still on topic? *lol*) Dean is part of a life he desperately wanted to leave behind.

But you see, the problem is, that with Jess dying, Sam "became" his father - and all his bitching about Daddy and their way of life makes him a kind of an hypocrite.

Oh I hadn't really thought about that apart from the obvious of course.

Because he doesn't. And I don't even really get why Sam would feel that way.

Don't you? To me it's kind of obvious, really. Dean probably took care of Sam all his life, possibly a lot of the times when their father went missing. He's used to give the orders. He probably "inhertited" their father's authority. To him it's clear that they need to follow their father's orders. Maybe Sam even belittles Dean because he never stood up to his father but always did what he said. It's hard to explain, but for some reason I can really connect to Sam on that level. And he doesn't want to be like Dean who (in his opinion) only does what he's being told. It doesn't matter if Dean actually does boss him around.

(But then I generally have problems with the fact that he pulled *that* trigger.

Just to make sure - you're talking about the actual gun trigger, right?

I thought that was pretty good, actually. I mean first there was the therapy lesson which kind of opened Pandora's box. Then there was the "being posessed" thing and of course Dean's "We only follow Dad's orders!" ... it quite piled up. I think it was way better if Sam would have put down that gun, that would have been lame. What I think is way more interesting that Dean didn't even give him a loaded gun - he didn't trust Sam.

I mean, Dean is like an open book

Yeah it's kind of endearing, really.

(Which means will Dean end up at the ceiling once they have sex ; )


You're not telling me baby Sam had sex with his mother, do you? .o)

That would be interesting if Dean and Daddy had different opinions...

Yup. And I would also like to see whether Dean's just Daddy's little soldier or whether they have this inside-jokes-we're-mates thing going on.